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4 March 2007

Julien Blache: DPL elections 2007: candidates at a glance

3 March 2007

Adrian von Bidder: Platforms: random thoughts

These are some random thoughts based on a not very thorough reading of candidate platforms of the DPL Election 2007, and my subjective view of the candidates based on the mailing traffic I remember reading. Wouter Verhelst: Has quite a broad Debian-background, the platform also seems to share quite a bit of my view of where Debian's problems are at the moment. Doesn't propose a course of action right now, not sure how to judge that. Not sure if I remember Wouter being heavily involved in flamewars, but I do remember reading quite a few of his emails in discussions with interest. broad Debian-background, the platform also seems to share quite a bit of my view of where Debian's problems are at the moment. Doesn't propose a course of action right now, not sure how to judge that. Not sure if I remember Wouter being heavily involved in flamewars, but I do remember reading quite a few of his emails in discussions with interest. broad Debian-background, the platform also seems to share quite a bit of my view of where Debian's problems are at the moment. Doesn't propose a course of action right now, not sure how to judge that. Not sure if I remember Wouter being heavily involved in flamewars, but I do remember reading quite a few of his emails in discussions with interest. broad Debian-background, the platform also seems to share quite a bit of my view of where Debian's problems are at the moment. Doesn't propose a course of action right now, not sure how to judge that. Not sure if I remember Wouter being heavily involved in flamewars, but I do remember reading quite a few of his emails in discussions with interest. Aigars Mahinovs: Quoting from his platform: “My goal of running for DPL is not to be DPL, but to get a few concepts closer to real life.” So don't run for DPL, but start doing these things you're thinking about. Not being DPL has the advantage that you don't have to spend time on DPL stuff that would detract you from these goals. Speaking about your goals: (i) No release: I've thought about that, too, but I feel this would quickly make Debian irrelevant. (ii) $HOME configuration files organisation: take it up with the upstream developers of all the application. I think this is a very good idea, but freedesktop.org would be a better platform. (iii) Old Maintainer Process: Idea looking for a problem. (iv) Dropping Trademarks: not sure what to think about this. Gustavo Franco: Some focus on the desktop, and a constructive attitude towards Ubuntu, both positive in my book. (The first one primarily because on servers Linux is already quite well established, while the desktop is where more work is still to be done. Not because servers are less important.) His goals: (i) Core teams: as with Wouter, he sees that people and what goes on between them are where the problems are. (ii) Release goals: I think building the release based on release goals could be a driving force, but this is more RM area than DPL. (iii) Adding features to the bts doesn't need DPL powers. (iii) New developers: certainly an area that still needs attention, but the intended course is not entirely clear to me. (iv) NEW queue: same. (v) CTTE: Not sure what the idea behind this is. (vi) Groups: yes, but again not entirely clear what and how. (vii) Backports: yes, new versions of some software should go into Debian (stable) faster. Officially supporting backports or something else, I don't know, but this is an area where a DPL could pull together the RMs, security team(s), backports.org people etc. (viii) Universal OS: is this about more media coverage or about more face to face meetings? Both are good, but we should set clear goals beforehand. (ix) Much work is needed, especially in the area of buildd management (meaning: the processes and people behind it!). Does Gustavo have previous involvement here? (x) Vendors, Website, Publicity: This is more or less all about media coverage and popularity. Much needed, but as Debian as it is will never be able to commit to a public official opinion of anything, we'll need to think hard about what to do here. (xi) NMU: I don't see a great need for action here, personally. Overall: this platform contains too much material, I fear trying to tackle all these areas will lead to a burned out DPL within three months and little actually getting anywhere. Sven Luther: It's true that it always needs at least two people for a flamewar. But having a DPL who is always ready to provide one side of an argument is not a good idea. Sam Hocevar: Everything is high-level on his platform. Both good and bad. Not sure how to rate this platform, but I see myself nodding along. Learn from other OSs is good, but I hope he also means active cooperation and not just passive let's see how they do it. Steve McIntyre: Should have won 2006. Certainly did a lot of both behind-the-scenes work and some good communication. The platform lacks mention of relations between Debian and the outside world, which is an area where I feel some work is missing (and where the DPL as the only person with a official role also known outside Debian can make a difference), and also lacks mention of legal problems (trademarks and patents) where I'm not sure how solid Debian's work is. Additional argument in favor of Steve: Having a 2IC and promoting him to DPL the year after might be a good idea overall. Maybe we should actually elect the 2IC and only have a confirmation vote to promote him to DPL? Raphaël Hertzog: I like the DPL board idea. I also like how Raphaël focuses, in his platform, on the DPL board idea and some selected problems. On the other hand, the platform is wholly focused inward, outside relations are important, too ! Anthony Towns: Not sure what to think of the current DPL. I think he had good ideas, and I still think the original “spend Debian funds for the release”-idea was not that bad, but seeing how it all worked out was very, very painful for too many people. The platform seems pretty much empty, so I guess ajt won't have my vote this time. Simon Richter: Maybe I miss something, but I only see “don't repeat the dunc-tank flamefest” in his platform, which seems a bit thin. His observation that the real power of the DPL is to get everybody's attention may be partly true, though, even if this power will be spent as soon as a DPL, trying to mediate, lets himself be drawn into the flamewar instead (I don't accuse Simon that he ultimately will do this, but I fear that it happens all too quickly). Now what? I really don't have the time to thoroughly follow the campaigning, but I'll certainly have a look at the rebuttals, and perhaps somebody will do some summary. So the ballot below will certainly change. (You might also be able to buy the vote if you're rich enough ;-)
 [ 1 ] Wouter Verhelst
 [ 5 ] Aigars Mahinovs
 [ 3 ] Gustavo Franco
 [ 6 ] Sven Luther
 [ 3 ] Sam Hocevar
 [ 1 ] Steve McIntyre
 [ 2 ] Raphaë Hertzog
 [ 5 ] Anthony Towns
 [ 4 ] Simon Richter
 [ 5 ] NOTA

14 February 2007

Bastian Venthur: DPL 2007, Current Candidates

For those who don’t follow -vote regularly, it seems like we have currently four official nominations for this year’s DPL vote: and two pending ones: A totally unrelated note: If you want to get really frustrated and angry but don’t feel like participating in Debian’s infamous flamefests — try to learn to juggle a 5 ball cascade. This will keep you busy for several months without getting on everybody’s (well, everybody but your neighbor’s) nerves. Update: Ooops, I forgot Wouter — thanks Alexander.

15 January 2007

Dirk Eddelbuettel: Too hot to Handel

We went to see a performance of Too hot too Handel [1], a Gospel/Blues/Jazz/Rock rendition of the Messiah, at the Auditorium Theater on Saturday. Two choirs comprising 120 singers, a full jazz (big) band with drums, electric and acoustic bass, electric organ, piano and about twenty brass instruments as well as an equal number of strings in the symphonic section, plus vocalists Rob Dixon (tenor), Victor Trent Cook (counter tenor) and Alfreda Burke (soprena) made for a very full sound in this beautiful theater. For apparent scheduling problems, the performance was moved from the Christmas season (in which Haendel's original Messiah is rather popular) to the Martin Luther King birthday weekend, which is appropriate enough. Even though quite a few seats were empty, the musicians had little problem to get the audience onto their feat with a fine performance, and a rousing finale. Recommended. [1] Not sure where the Umlaut went missing there. Oh well.

21 December 2006

Erich Schubert: Dunc wars.

Joey and Josselin, I'm calling you childish, not because you "stand" your principles, but because of the way you try to convince others that your principles are better. What you are using is: Actually, I'm by now convinced that it would have been better for Debian, if you would just have really left. Your behaviour in the last months makes you qualify as "poisonous people" (except these usually aren't big contributors). In my opinion, your infighting has harmed the project, it gives people the impression that being involved in Debian means mostly having to deal with such things. While it's not - Debian is still fun to me, although I have little time, and didn't manage to go to the last few Debian meetings here in Munich - all these fights are a nuisance to me. Even though I'm not actually affected by them (neither Dunc-Tank, because it doesn't demotivate me, nur the powerpc fights, nor some other fights on -private), the way they are dicussed on the Debian lists does annoy me. Again: if anything is cutting on my motiviation, it's your behaviour (this btw. includes the powerpc issue and fighters, too, especially Sven Luther who has probably sent as many mails as all others together, just reiterating the same things again and again). So if you are planning to become a Debian contributor, learn to use the "delete" button in your email clients, and don't be afraid to just delete whole threads. Certain threads are just a waste of time and bring negative emotions. So: Joey, Josselin: grow up, and accept that people sometimes have a different opinion, and you can achieve more by accepting that your opinions differ and just try to make the most of it anyway. Reminding them of your differences won't make them change their mind, nor will it make them like you any better. Fortunately, most people in the project (well, everybody except me?) seem to obey above "poisoned people" recommendations, and just ignored your posts on this issue. I didn't, and one of the reasons it that I feared Joeys first post could grab some media attention, and I felt there should be at least one post saying that, well, the debian-installer and some other RC bugs are probably also a cause of the delay, and it's probably not worth rehashing the dunc-bank issue. So far, I've only seen one news article citing aba that the delay was caused by the debian installer among others, no "the delay is due to dunc-bank demotivating all developers" FUD.

19 December 2006

Erich Schubert: Dunc wars are back

Joey and Josselin are trying to bring dunc wars back. Please ignore the trolls. They're talking more FUD than ever. And yes, I consider this behaviour childish, too. Basically they claim that dunc tank is to blame for the etch release delay. Sure, blame AJ for the attr breakage. And the libpng disaster. And the FransPop and others vs. Sven Luther issue. And the installer delays. Especially the latter. The installer has never ever before delayed a Debian release, so obviously AJ and his dunc tank are to blame. (Well, actually I think that this kind of infighting done wrt Sven Luthers access to the debian-installer repository or the anti-dunc-tank-evangelists that really harms the project: this can really take a lot of fun out of Debian, more than dunc-tank ever could. But pointing at the installer is more fun, you know...) So Joey, Josselin: please, grow up. Stop trying to harm the project just because you disagree with a decision some months ago. Thank you, aba, for working e.g. on helping sorting out the libpng issues and doing a quick NMU for the attr breakage. And all the other release work you've been doing before, during and after dunc-tank funding. Your work is heavily appreciated because it's constructive.

6 December 2006

Matthew Garrett

Regular viewers may have noticed a reduced frequency of updates lately. This is due to unfortunate circumstances.

But anyway.

Fed up with Bruce Perens claiming to speak on your behalf? Object that someone who hasn't written any useful code in approximately forever wants to class you as being in the same category of people as him? Think it's a bit off for him to claim random things about the meaning of the GPL? Irritated that there's no way to make this clear to journalists?

Now there's a solution!

Visit Bruce Perens does not speak for me and let the world know that when Bruce says that the Open Source community is fighting the same sort of battle that Martin Luther King did, you'd rather not be included.

5 November 2006

Steve Kemp: Soon turned out had a heart of glass

I did my good deed for the day deleting Sven Luther’s spam from the wiki. I figure by now anybody that cares has heard enough, and for the people who don’t care this abuse of the projects resources is not useful. It looks like my deletions were reverted, so now I officially don’t care any more.

2 November 2006

Julien Blache: Fixing the debian-installer/Sven Luther situation

[For background information on the whole debian-installer/Sven Luther situation, please read the Debian wiki.] The whole debian-installer/Sven Luther issue has been running for months now, and has seen little to no progress. A number of DPL mediation attempts have utterly failed, and there’s just no authority whatsoever above the debian-installer people that could help settle the issue. I’m just not interested in discussing who’s at fault, as both sides are at fault for something or something else. Now, looking back, there is something that bothers me. It makes me sick, even. At the end of march this year, Sven lost his mother in very difficult circumstances, in the middle of the flamewar opposing him to the debian-installer team. He sent a private mail to Frans Pop which you can read on this wiki page explaining what was happening to him, and asking him to give him a break. Reading this mail, it’s pretty clear that Sven was in shock when he wrote it. It’s so obvious that you can’t miss it, it doesn’t take a psychologist to tell you that. Nonetheless, the bashing went on, and nobody cared about what was happening to him. Now, compare to what happened to dato. How did the DDs react to that ? They rushed to debian-private, both the mailing-list and the IRC channel, to get an update on his condition, for something like two weeks. In both cases, some people knew what was happening (in Sven’s case, others DDs knew what was going on too, Frans Pop wasn’t the only one). I just can’t explain why the reaction was different, and it really bothers me. I spoke IRL with Sven about the debian-installer situation. We rehashed most of what had been told already, and he mentionned the death of his mother just as he did mention it on the mailing-lists. He has been and still is very affected by what happened to his mother. Reading his mail to Frans Pop, it’s pretty easy to understand I think. The behaviour of some DDs in this flamewar, knowing that Sven was deeply affected by this event, is inexcusable. You really should be ashamed of what you’ve done to him. He needed the kind words from the Debian family, the same kind words the Debian family told to dato, his friends and family. It’s time to clear up the mess, folks.

Lars Wirzenius: Debian: Something Positive and vocal minorities

R.K. Mulholland, author of Something Positive, one of my favorite web comics, writes something that seems pretty relevant to Debian:
People assume most Debian developers are heavy-handed, pushy, intolerant bigots bent of dominating any other culture or idea and supplanting it with their own whims because, for the most part, the ones who speak up the most ARE heavy-handed, pushy, intolerant bigots bent on dominating any other culture or idea and supplanting it with their own whims. It sucks. It's horrible. And it's the what everyone of any faith, political idea, or lifestyle has to deal with. People always focus on the loud minority who ruins everything. And like any other group, the only way you can combat this is making your views and, in this case, your kindness and actual testimony louder than the hateful prattle of those hurting your beliefs.
Mulholland actually writes about Christians, but I took the liberty of substituting the words "Debian developers" instead. I wonder if I should reconsider my policy of shutting up and going away when people start quarreling or otherwise behaving badly inside Debian. Perhaps participating more actively in such a situation would be helpful, if only to make it clear that those most vocal do not always represent the majority. Mostly such participation should be to do constructive things: offering solutions to technical problems, pointing out good things others do. Sometimes it would have to be to help Debian make some of the very difficult decisions it needs to do. For example, what should the project do in the case of Sven Luther? This is a good example of a problem that Debian as a project is very ill equipped to handle. I'm not sure I will do anything about this, but now that it's two hours past midnight, I feel I should. When I wake up, I expect to regret this.

15 October 2006

Julien Danjou: Total recall (2006)

Directed by jd & adn Genre: Action / Adventure / Sci-Fi / Thriller / Horror / Drama / Humor
Runtime: several weeks
Country: A lot
Language: English
Color: Color (Technicolor, QT, GTK and ncurses) Tagline: They stole their project, now they want it back. Plot Outline: In September 2006, a group of developpers from the Debian planet rise against the corruption leading the government.
User Comments: Great action, great suspense, great cultural satire, and a great mind-bender. Awards: Waiting for nomination. Quotes: Cast overview
Anthony Towns (aj), as the Debian Project Leader Denis Barbier (bouz), as The Recaller
Aurelien Jarno (aurel32), as one Seconder Clint Adams (schizo), as one Seconder
MJ Ray (mjr), as one Seconder Pierre Habouzit (madcoder), as one Seconder
Martin Schulze (joey), as one Seconder Marc Dequ nes (duck), as one Seconder

13 October 2006

Josselin Mouette: FTWCA debian-devel-announce used as a means of propaganda

The kernel team, or should I say, Sven Luther, as the rest of the kernel team hasn't been remotely as visible as him on this topic, is now trying to spam debian-devel-announce, assuming the average Debian developer isn't able to read the proposals. Fortunately, the mail was redirected to debian-devel thanks to clever filtering.

I still think, for the moment, that Choice 2 of the proposal currently being voted (Special exception to DFSG2 for firmware as long as required) is still the best of all proposed choices, and I'll try to explain why.
  1. This proposal doesn't only address firmware issues. It clarifies DFSG 2 for other works often found without source, acknowledging current practice for fonts or pictures.
  2. Granting an exception only for etch is dishonest. The real reason behind the exception is that we don't yet have any means to ship these firmwares in a way that complies with our principles. We're violating them in the testing and unstable distributions as well, and that has nothing to do with a release.
  3. Granting an exception for etch may not be sufficient. I don't want to see these endless discussions again for the next release, and this is what is probably going to happen if an etch-only exception is granted.
  4. The proposal frees the hands of people working on stripping the firmwares out. Their patches would have to be accepted straight away, not two months before the release when someone says "Hey! there are non-free firmwares in the kernel!".
  5. By principle. I'm fed up with people splitting hair on debian-vote for weeks, to end up reaching a formulation that's close to the one I wrote in a few minutes a month ago.
Everyone should make up his own opinion. You're welcome to read the proposals themselves rather than the propaganda I'm writing, but I hope I've made clearer the rationale of Choice 2.

Anthony Towns: Vote Early, Vote Often

A couple of comments on the ongoing votes. The DFSG/firmware issue is a complicated one. For the votes that we’ve currently got open, I’m voting for futher discussion in favour of the DFSG#2 clarification – not because I disagree with requiring source code for all works in principle, but because I think we should be making sure we can make Debian work with full source for everything first, before issuing position statements about it; and I’m voting for “release etch even with kernel firmware issues” above further discussion and “special exception to DFSG#2 for firmware” below further discussion, because I don’t think we can handle the broader issue before etch, and I don’t think it’s a good idea to try to tie the exception to the non-existance of technical measures directly. I’m not really sure that’s a good enough reason to vote that option below further discussion, so I might change my vote on that yet. There have been quite a few other proposals on the topic, including one from me that didn’t get sufficient seconds to be voted on, another from Frans Pop that was withdrawn due to procedural issues, a couple more from Sven Luther, and a new proposal from Sven and supported by the kernel team that’s a further refinement on the “release etch even with firmware issues” resolution currently being voted on. I personally think we should spend some time after etch thinking a bit more deeply about this stuff. Personally, I think we should insist on source for everything, but that also means we need to have a clear explanation on why it’s good – even for firmware and font files and music and artwork – and it means we’re going to need to make sure we have a reasonable way of distributing it, and it means we’re going to have to make sure that we have a good way of distributing stuff that doesn’t meet our standards but that users still need or want; whether that’s drivers they need to do installation or get good graphics performance, documentation for their software, or whatever else. There’s a lot of real improvements we could make there – both in making the core of Debian more free and more useful, and making it easier for users who want to make compromises to choose what they want to compromise on and what they don’t want to compromise on. I really hope that once etch is done and dusted quite a few of those sorts of improvements will get done, both in technical improvements in Debian, and in good advocacy from Debian and other groups towards people who aren’t already making things as free as they potentially could be. One the recall issue, I would have preferred to vote “re-affirm”, then “recall”, then “further discussion”, to say “I don’t think this creates a conflict of interest that can’t be handled, but I’ve no objection if other people think it does”. But since that isn’t what the ballot(s) turned out to be, I’ve voted “re-affirm” above further discussion on that ballot, and “recall” below further discussion on the other ballot. I’ve voted the “wish success” option above “don’t endorse/support” option for two reasons – first, because the “wish success” resolution actually refers to “projects funding Debian or helping towards the release of Etch” in general, while the “don’t endorse/support” proposal specifically talks about projects I’m involved in (including non-Dunc-Tank projects) which seems kind of personal. There’s also the fact that I’d rather see more success and mutual support in the Debian community, even for projects I don’t personally like, than less. I originally voted the “don’t endorse/support” option below further discussion for those reasons, but then decided that that was silly – just as I would have been happy to vote for the recall above further discussion, it’s not really that big a deal either way, and fundamentally I think both options are essentially the same anyway: that any potential conflict of interest can be dealt with, and Debian and Dunc-Tank are fundamentally different projects. I was probably influenced in that a fair bit by the “not endorse/support” option being proposed and seconded mostly by people who actively oppose the idea, including Josselin Mouette, Samuel Hocevar, Pierre Habouzit and Aurélien Jarno. But in the end, the outcome’s fine any which way – some people will continue disagreeing with the concept, others will agree with it, and everyone can keep contributing to Debian in whatever way they think’s best whatever the outcome. And like I said when running for DPL this year, while you are a lot more visible as DPL, it’s not actually that necessary to be DPL to get things done in Debian.

6 October 2006

Josselin Mouette: Ad hominem attack



This message is dedicated to Sven Luther.

7 July 2006

Julien Blache: Debian France, finally !

Today, the founding members of the Debian France non-profit met during the RMLL in Vandoeuvre-l s-Nancy; we signed the required papers and proceeded to the election of the board. We’ve been working on setting up the Debian France non-profit for the past months, discussing the idea and drafting the legal documents. Now we need to incorporate, this is the last big step :-) We’re all very happy now, and very excited to complete the last steps needed before we can open the membership and start to lobby more efficiently, among other things ;-) The 12 founding members are : Unfortunately, not everybody could make it to Vandoeuvre today. A big thank you to all the people who helped in the process, and continue helping today!

25 June 2006

Wouter Verhelst: Say hi to ragtime

A few months ago, my good friend Kris gave me an OldWorld Powermac (a model 8500/150, even though the processor really runs at 120Mhz) as a donation to the Debian project. I arranged to hand it to Sven Luther, who is very much into Debian on PowerPC, at FOSDEM in Brussels. Due to some misunderstandings, however, Sven did not take the mac with him; so it had been left at the office. And since I don't go to an awful lot of meetings (FOSDEM is probably going to be the only one this year), the mac is likely going to stay at our office. So I thought I'd put it to some good use. I saw last week that the PowerPC dailies hadn't been built for about a week or so. When I asked around, I found out this was because Colin Watson, who usually builds them, does so on his laptop. Since he was not directly available, however (due to him being on vacation or something similar), they were not getting built for about a week. An understandable situation, but rather suboptimal. So, since I had this unused PowerPC machine anyway, I installed Debian on it, called it "ragtime" in accordance with my usual machine naming scheme, did a checkout of the d-i subversion tree, and added the daily-build script to cron. As of yesterday, Frans Pop changed the different configuration items to point to my dailies instead of Colin's; so I guess it's now rather official. Ish. Update: NOW. Not NOT. Aargh.

13 May 2006

Andres Salomon: More Sven Luther fun!

Svenl is still making life painful for everyone he works with. Since leaving the kernel team (and thus not having to deal w/ him anymore), life has gotten a lot more pleasant. Instead of frustrating me, his actions now amuse me. I do feel sorry for people he has to deal with, though. Bugs like this one (#366938) are an absolute riot. Specifically, the bit about how removing his commit access to the d-i repository is somehow a violation of the GPL. Wow. There’s plenty of Debian Developers that march to the beat of their own drum; there’s plenty I disagree with. And then we have Sven, who calls his drum a horse and whines that it doesn’t whinny properly when he beats it to death. Reality distortion field, engage!

19 March 2006

Clint Adams: This report is flawed, but it sure is fun

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26 February 2006

Wouter Verhelst: On FOSDEM, beer, and oldworld powermacs

  1. The second day of FOSDEM was (at least) as good as the first day. Though I'll try to find some volunteers to help me out with talk moderation next year, so that I won't have to sit there all the time but actually do have time to speak to random people, rather than having to say "Hi, you're here! Nice to see you! Sorry, but I have to go."
  2. Beer is nice. Belgian beer is good. Belgian beer in le Roi d'Espagne together with a few hundred other hackers is very good. Having to yell to get through the noise all night and subsequently losing your voice for the rest of the weekend? Less so.
  3. Several people told me this happened to me last year, too, so I suppose it's correct. I don't remember, however. Must make sure it doesn't happen again.
  4. When bringing an oldworld powermac for Sven Luther, it would be great had I actually told him this is your box rather than your box is at the booth; when you want it, go there and pick it up. Doing so might have prevented Sven to pick up the wrong box when going home. As it is, I'm stuck with an oldworld powermac that I have to find storage for, while Sven is stuck with a box that isn't his, and that we have to find out who it belongs to, how to get it to him/her, etc.
Other than that, I love this weekend.

1 February 2006

David Nusinow: Halfway Point

Long time no blog I guess. Things haven't been that exciting on the Debian front for me. Many of you may have noticed the Xorg -8 packages just hit unstable, complete with minor annoying debconf bug (fixed in svn now). That work was almost all packaging bugs, most of which are now taken care of. All those changes apply to the 6.9 packages too, so it's like I'm getting a two for one. This means that the 6.9 packages will be pretty well cleaned up on the Debian side of things when they actually ship. Thanks to Sven Luther, Julien Cristau, and Ari Pollak we can build 6.9 for powerpc, sparc, and amd64 (although there's currently an unrelated bug on amd64 stopping us from building any X packages there). Hopefully we can get the remainder of the arches ready to go so that we can drop 6.9 in to unstable as soon after it's released as possible.

One of the very cool changes that's come about lately is that David Mart nez Moreno has taken up the torch for xterm and produced a package for experimental. xterm never really lived at X.Org, and now we're getting it from the real upstream source. So thanks to David we'll have an up to date xterm ready to go with 6.9. It's sort of a little taste of the modular tree: if you need to get an xterm update for some reason, then you don't have to update all of X in the process.

Terrifyingly, I've reached a point where I can start working on the modular packages the moment I sit down to do Debian work next time. I'm going to repeat what I did with 6.8 and start with the Ubuntu packages and work from there. Now that I know a little more about how the whole thing is laid out I feel a lot more confident in what I'm doing. Last time it was really by the seat of my pants. The scariest thing for me is that I finally have to break down and learn the autotools, which is something I've managed to avoid until now. That should be the biggest hurdle for me in moving the modular packages forward. I have no idea how long it'll take, although history has shown that my time estimates are about 1/3 of the time that it actually takes to do a thing :-) The first third of what I set out to do (get Xorg in to Debian) is finished. The second third will be when 6.9 is in testing. The final third is when the modular packages that I'm happy with land in testing. It may take the entire etch release cycle to run this marathon, but I feel like I've reached the halfway point around now, with 6.9 stabilizing.

I've started talking with people about where to go after all that. Once the Debian packaging work is done, I want to start working on the Xorg codebase itself, preferrably on making the xserver a little nicer on the user. I have a project or two in mind, but I don't want to start on them until Debian's X packages are well in hand for the forseeable future.

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